There have been a lot of things said about Chris Brown and Rihanna over the past few years since the incident that resulted in the young woman being badly beaten by an angry and out of control young man.
It’s been three years – and with the annoucement that both Chris Brown and Rihanna have decided to do songs with each other, the rhetoric, the anger and the debate, has now reached a fever pitch.
” That B*tch is dumb as hell to do songs with that abuser.”
” Love makes b*tches stupid.”
” Rihanna is sending a terrible message to young girls.”
” Chris Brown has gotten off scott-free with this.”
Let’s face something here, people. Chris Brown has a few choices here and how to handle the anger sent his way- and none of his positive actions.. not a single act of contrition would result in you forgiving him. Face it. It wouldn’t. Chris Brown could do a benefit concert for an anti-domestic violence campaign whilst singing back-up with Jesus and…. it wouldn’t matter.
Why? Because he committed a heinous crime. The kind of crime that strikes an emotional chord with all of us. The kind of crime any decent person would be absolutely disgusted by. Crimes that hit a deep emotional nerve with us- the kind of crimes we can not let go. Most of us simply can’t. Hell, look at Michael Vick. Michael Vick not only served time for his actions, but he lost millions of dollars in the process – which he should have. But for many people those punishments still were not enough. After serving the allotted time he was made to serve, Michael Vick has spoken out against animal cruelty on several occasions as well as donating money to many animal rights causes and has admitted his previous actions and the culture of dog fighting, are simply sick. He has done everything he was supposed to do for his abhorrent actions. Still many of you reading this right now refuse to forgive Michael Vick for what he did. Wont forgive.. won’t forget. EVEN though….. he has done everything right since. So… what’s the point of Chris Brown holding his hat in his hand and adamantly apologizing more so than he already has. Really… why should he go out of his way to apologize to ‘society’ when in the end, it won’t matter. You’ll still hate him for what he did. You aren’t going to let it go…. so why bother continuing to kiss everyone’s ass?
There isn’t one.
Therefore the only thing he needs to do… is go on with his life. If I was Chris Brown’s handlers, I would instruct him to never comment on this incident again, and when asked about anything related to the incident, simply state:” No comment…let’s move on.” Smile, nod and move things along to the next question.
Move… on.
Just like Rihanna is doing….and I admire her for it. I may in fact be the only person on this entire site you feels this way but an unpopular opinion has never stopped me before and it won’t now either.
WHY is it that we expect Rihanna to sit here for the rest of her life and be ‘THE Victim’? What’s in it for her really? WHY should this girl sit around and allow ONE moment in time, ONE mistake, to define who she is as a person and as a woman? Are YOU willing to do the same? Are YOU willing to be “The chick who hung out with a bunch of dudes in their frathouse one night and got raped?” Are you willing to be ” got left alone with my uncle who raped me when i was a kid?” What about you back there? Are you willing to be “invited a guy over because you thought he was cute, started making out but then said no but he raped you anyway?” What about you on the left? Are you willing to be known as “Should have known better than to let that dude spill inside my vagina but I got pregnant at 17 and been a single mother ever since” chick? No? You don’t want to be labeled as that for the rest of your life? Then why the hell do you feel that Rihanna should be? Because she is in the public eye? Looked to? Looked up to? Come on now…..Hell, unlike most of YOU heffas, this young woman is moving on with her life. Because at the end of the day it isn’t about her being true to domestic violence victims. It isn’t about her being an example to young women out there, and it isn’t even about ” How could she be cool with the n*gga that beat her azz!”
No.
It’s about Robyn ‘Rihanna’ Fenty. It’s about being true to herself. Finding her OWN happiness and being ok with who SHE is. WHy? Because life is way too short.
It’s not about what you think. Its not about you wanting her to be some walking public service announcement.
It’s about her living her life as Robyn. As Rihanna. NOT as your poster girl.
…and not as a victim.
Chris Brown assaulted Rihanna. Not you.
And after three long years, she has decided to move on with her life….maybe you should to.
::Grabs snacks and sits back::
I HEARTILY agree with the ashy black dude. If anybody needs me, I'll be in the "Amen" corner with Sexy Bath Salts_T.
**Goes to sit next to Sexy_T, with Skittles and 7-UP, and waits for the boxing to commence**
Dis' gon' be gud!
I'm going to the Amen corner with my auntie and sexy and the snax and i am bringing my sawed off double barrell and some more snacks andd my blanky for a nap
I will be joining you in the corner ladies! Amen.
I got homemade brownies and " sinful" Browned Butter Chocolate Chip cookies and mudslides… Can I chill wit y'all, cuz this gon be goooooooood.
Oh chocolate, damn didn't realize this was a potluck… I got chips n' salsa.
***slow clap*** I agree.
Im sorry, but I gotta call BS on most of this post and throw the flag.
I dont think people cant let go of what Chris did because it was heinous and wrong( and it was)
They cant let it go because Chris has NEVER sincerely apologized, showed contrition, took responsibility for, or showed any humilty after the incident in question.
I remember an OHN article a year ago calling chris out for these very things after he flipped on( whether purposely or not) on Good Morning America because a journalist had the gall to ask him about the RiRi incident.
Please. If Chris had manned up and took responsibility, folks may not be so hard on a n!!gga, but that isnt the case.
As for RiRi, I dont get it but word round the campfire is she is (not so) secretly getting her phuck on with chris breezy again. Why she wants to bump uglies with a dude who had her face looking like Glass Joe from Punch Out after a fight is beyond me, but thats her business.
People are hating on Chris because honestly, by his brattish entitled behavior, he brings it on himself.
"They cant let it go because Chris has NEVER sincerely apologized, showed contrition, took responsibility for, or showed any humilty after the incident in question."
But why does he need to apologize to the public in the FIRST place? What happened was between him and her. The only person he actually OWES an apology to is Rihanna. Which he did. And I can assume that whatever he said, she took as sincere.
b a s i c a l l y !!!
Well for someone who makes their living in the public sphere, whose image and good will with the audience is part of what helps him stay popular and sell records. And when the public routintely condemns a a horrible act that you have committed….is it too much to expect that some sort of apology, even a 'my bad' be forthcoming?
And then his whining and raging every time someone brought up the issue or criticized him for it was not a good look either. Man up, n!gga
it's funny as hell to me that folks even bothered with a rebuttal after you said this but hey…. : shrugs :
it was pretty much shut down after this.
For arguments sake:
He went to jail and did his time. And he must have shown some remorse and responsibility that was good enough for her.
So what does he owe us? He owed her… I believe that's what I thought Slaus meant.
And he does bring this mess on himself, doe.
CB did not do any jail time. He pleaded guilty to felony assault and was given five years' probation, community service, and domestic violence counseling.
I misspoke, I meant served his sentence.
Ima need you to read the article again
Chris don't owe you sh*t but a CD and a few dance moves
he does not owe the public a damn thing
y'all need to stop making this about yourself
and let these 2 people live their lives
oh wait that's what Slaus is trying to say here…
Ok but imma need you to pay attention to the fact that I said the main reason people hate on Chris is aside from the initial incident, but from his brattish behavior afterward.
Honestly, if he hadnt made a point of acting a fool at every given opportunity I may have forgotten what happened that night. Thats honestly the main reason I cant with that dude.
That and he hasnt put out a hot song since then to make me forget either. Just saying…folk forgot about golden showers real quick after R Kelly dropped Chocolate Factory.
I dont agree with you but this shyt made me lol:
Just saying…folk forgot about golden showers real quick after R Kelly dropped Chocolate Factory.
I'm not gonna lie: I thought this was a BOLD move for them. The publicity and hype off of this song racheted to CRAZY proportions after it was rumored that Chris was going to be on Birthday Cake. (The song was already hot and had a following that prompted her to make a full version)
I was excited because I love the song (that beat and chant is FIYAH!!!), but I knew there was going to be a shytstorm over it. Too bad the song wasn't as hot as the hype.
It's a bad message for her to send to younger girls, but that's why they have parents (and she even has said this much regarding herself as a role model). If this is what she chooses to do with her life, so be it. I just hope they are both in better places and we won't have to hear about round 2. But if she chose to forgive, work with him (and amp both their careers), and have a relationship with him… oh well! As long as she's (and he) is ready to shoulder the consequences, it's not my burden to bear.
Plus, this was also the biggest "FU" to everyone still talking smack…
Word. What Rihanna does is her business.
But to say there is no other reason to hate on Chris aside from the Grammy incident is untrue.
Where did I say there's no reason to hate on him? I just spoke about the song and how their life choices make me no nevermind.
Choices have consequences and they will need to suffer them.
I didnt mean to phrase it as if you said that, but thats what I gathered from the article.
Gotcha.
There's no other reason to hate Chris other than people's emotional investment in these two people's lives. Two people they will NEVER meet or travel within the same circles. This, in and of itself, is unhealthy.
So we're comparing Michael Vick apologizing and showing remorse for his actions serving his time and coming back to a $100 million contract TO Chris Brown acting an Every-PR's-Nightmare-FOOL every chance possible, poppin' sh*t on twitter and then deleting it, naming an ablum F*ck All My Enemies, and ultimately winning a Grammy for a crap album inspite of ALL THIS while also having a slew of followers who would "Let Chris Brown Beat Me".
Vick may not have been forgiven by all, but he's definitely more respected for what he's done and how humble he's been about it, because what he did to dogs got him put in PRISON, but what Chris Brown did to a human being got him COMMUNITY SERVICE. imjusayin.
Let me say this about the Grammys
The Grammys are about the music NOT about his personal life plus his music
they do not go hand in hand
if so why not some outrage for Ike Turner's life time achievement award
R. Kelly and his many Grammys
it is about the music
now if you just want to say he should not have gotten the award cause his CD was whack then I'll co-sign all day
but his personal life has nothing to do with it
so please just stop it
he was doing his job (making music) the Grammys for whatever reason awarded him for said job well done
as for community service
as I said in my post about this incident
THAT IS THE LAW!
I explained how it went down with my son's father
Mike Vick's case was different because it was Federal that's why he spent time in jail
and there it is
and lets hope this is the last time OHN has to say anything about this subject…but I highly doubt it will be cause some of y'all just cannot let it go!
The Music was about his personal life when he claimed he was being condemned for it, when in reality he was being condemned for showing no remorse for what he did. But Im not even talking about that.
I feel like he wasn't given a Grammy "for the music" because the music wasn't good. But we'll just keep that as my opinion, even tho its clearly politics and not music with alot of huge award shows. To me him winning said more than just "oh he made a good album this year", which he didn't.
And his job is more than making music, that's the life of an entertainer, he doesn't just make music.
And who says Im not outrage about Ike's awards, hell I wasn't feeling R Kelly singing at Whitney's funeral, but that's just me.
Was the "so please just stop it" really necessary? Was what I said that out of line or absurd?
Im confused. Did OHN speak on this because some of us can't let it go (i've never spoke on this topic) or cause OHN can't let it go (which i find hard to believe)?
OHN has spoken about this a few times over the years…just last week matter of fact
but as the comments show folks cannot let it go…so at some point I'm sure one of us on staff will say something again
when I mentioned Ike and R. Kelly I was speaking in general…
the please just stop it was directed at you and anyone else (which seems to be a lot of folks) who think the Grammys are based on someone's personal life
It just isn't true…no matter how you try to spin it and no matter how much you want to believe it
as for this CD was about his personal life…it could very well be that…but at the end of the day the Grammys and most other awards are based on the music not the hidden/not so hidden meaning behind the songs from the writers point of view….
thinking that his "job" is more than making music dancing around is part of the issue
we put too much emphasis on entertainers/celebrities lives…they really don't owe us anything other than a good song, a good movie…they are not role models and should not be looked upon as such…that is the biggest issue…
I give 0 fuggs and no damns about folks personal lives…I got my own life to live
sometimes celebrities want to share their personal experiences with the world in hopes to help others or to help themselves and that's all well and good but that still does not make them a role model nor do they owe us that…if they don't want to share they don't have to…but it seems folks just think they own the lives of celebrities because we bought a CD, went to a concert, enjoyed a movie or 2…that makes no sense to me…
You're misinterpreting.
I didn't say the CD was about his personal life. Him being an entertainer sort of negates his personal life. That's what part of being in the public's eye is all about. Hell, its what most of it is about. Im not saying its right, but Im saying he puts himself out there.
You can't tell people to mind they business, but be a public figure and interract with them whether it be postively or negatively as if you are above consequences.
I don't care if he apologizes to her. Truthfully i believe she beat on him just as much as he beat on her, and she just lost the fight that night.
I don't think he needs to apologize to US, but he isn't humble as at about anything, and that's what pisses me off. When i actually have a f*ck to give.
How do you constantly act a fool, and then blame everyone else, the fans, the media, etc..etc. Its everyone's fault, but his concerning his reputation. That's what Im saying.
he's a child
and that's what children do
though he's a public figure he is still a child
I see the same ish in my son everyday I think that's why I view this CB thing so differently he was not much older than my son when this went down…
some days I want to kill him cause of what he does
but I know one day hopefully he'll mature
and I hope CB does as well but when you have all this thrown at you at such a young age it truly is hard…we've seen it time and time again with young/child stars…which is sad
One of my boys said 27 is the new 17. And sadly, even though I'm 27, I have to agree with him for the majority of people I know my age are just so Out There and Immature.
I never said the Grammy's was based on personal life, but if you truly believe its only about the "music" and that politics aren't involved in WHO gets a Grammy, then we're not seeing the same awards show. Maybe that's just my sole perception of awards show.
I'm not a part of the "artist owe us stuff, outside of their music or acting etc..etc".. just like im not apart of the Wale's of the world who say crap like "I deserve praise, I deserves applause"..
lol Wale said that?
so he's the Indie Arie of hip hop now
Lawd!
Yep, opens up the Ambition album saying that.. I had to pause it like "huh?" haha
I ain't know Indie Arie was like that. Damn.
oh yea Indie boycotted the Grammys or some ish cause she wasn't nominated and what not
thing is I think the heffa is overrated as hell
and you see where all that mess got her right? LOL
Damnit, I think I love you now because I have always thought she was overrated, but I assumed I was the only one.
I'm not alone! *fist pumps in cubicell*
unpopular or not, it's a good point and it's one worth considering. however, i think (most) people are able to "forgive" michael vick because the man a) has good people behind him and b) humility. humility can speak louder than any action, in my opinion. i get that chris brown apologized up and down the wall, but it seems every time he does, he turns and does something stupid as hell. i think THAT'S the reason people have a hard time moving on because it doesn't seem genuine and he still doesn't get that, three years later.
but you're also right, too. it's not fair to constantly lable rihanna as a victim when she's not one NOW. she's moved on with her life, he's trying to clumsily, but trying to nonetheless. if they feel cordial enough to work together, why be in arms about it? leave it be and support their music, or like me, don't and keep it moving.
but please explain the "terrible" message that rihanna's sending to young girls. what could she possibly dole out what she hasn't already? i'm confused.
She went back to her "abuser"
as they say…
she accepted his apology
she accepted his friendship (again)
they did a song together
she basically in the eyes of these people is saying let a dude beat on you, let him say he's sorry and then give him another chance to beat on you again…
"but please explain the "terrible" message that rihanna's sending to young girls. what could she possibly dole out what she hasn't already? i'm confused."
Here's the thing that I was talking to Beth about yesterday. THE PUBLIC is making her out to be a victim. She clearly is trying to move on and every time the media speaks about this incident or asks him a question about it, they continually paint her as the victim when she CLEARLY does not want to be. If anything, TO ME, the message she is sending out is that yes, she went through a horrible experience. But, she overcame it and is living her life on HER terms without letting this incident define her.
ok because i wasn't seeing it. rihanna, the person, seems a bit more lucid than people want to give her credit for. i think it's time we should give her that credit.
"That's embarrassing that that's the type of person that I fell in love with..that's not what I want to teach people…the minute the physical wounds go away…when I realized my selfish decision for love could result into some young girl getting killed, I could not be easy with that part…I didn't realize the impact I had on these girl's lives…it was a wakeup call…I'll tell any young girl who's going though domestic violence, don't react off of love…EFF LOVE…look at it third person and for what it really is and then make your decision because love is so blind" ~ Rihanna, Interview with Diane Sawyer
I believe, if she had never done this interview, there would be much less attention paid to her decisions. But she did.
She also said:
"I don’t have a desire at all to be with him. I can’t see how we could get back together but I’m also not God and I can not predict the future. It’s actually rather annoying that there is still some sort of emotion there"
If she wants to be with him, I say go ahead girl. Best wishes. Just don't talk about it anymore.
90% of folks don't even remember that interview
and as I said when she did
MONTHS after the incident
it was all publicity…her CD was dropping like within that week
I really was irritated that she was using that incident for publicity for her music
I still think that is the only reason why she did that interview
Sigh…oh, Hollyweird.
but I dont doubt it all, it was a pr stunt.
She's also, later, said she shouldn't be seen as a role model and that's what parents are for… which I agree.
I also agree that she needs to say not another blessed word about the subject.
Her choices are her own, just like the backlash will be of her own making.
hmmmmmmm, I agree with some of your points tho. IF we were not speaking about a woman who seriously, has a clinical issue. Sure. She doesn't have to and shouldn't live her life as a victim. but all that stuff she spit about him abusing her, now a song together? I dont agree with it.. Chris brown has been labeled, looked down on, has a criminal record, because what? Because she got out of control and got punched in the face? Now i seen an interview not long, ago (well about a year) and darnit i wish i remembered who was speaking with her when she said she has issues because of what happened in her younger days with her father and what not. She loves being man handled rough during sex and just over-all in general. So DO NOT say all of that and then try to make dude look bad. My issue here is not with the situation but with Rhianna as a whole. I don't give two shits about women activist group. She owes no one anything, she didn't ask to be a role model the media and the public chose that. My issue is that she should love herself enough YES to forgive but to collaborate with him ? no. try to get close to him again, now that he has a girl? No! she needs to forgive and move on. before (excuse me) she ends up being the latest victim cause it's looking a whole lot that way. she went from a beautiful woman with curves and a smile. to a real skinny, obviously emotionally troubled woman. You seen it at the grammys. frail and obviously, not healthy something is wrong here and excuse me if you can't see where' i'm coming from but when she collapses you heard it here first.. As I'm writing this ( I am willing to admit that sometimes while writing you begin to understand more than your actual first thought) I feel that my overall concern is that she's not being true to herself. You see it as being true to herself and what makes her happy. I see it as her doing something or ulterior reasons and still struggling to be happy. she's just not happy. fame, fortunate and a beautiful face is not happiness… don't know what happened to her (other than being punched in the face) but she's not the same…. Why is everyone shitting on Chris Brown???.. he's the ABUSER (he's obviously got problems) It's the Victim that needs to sit the fugg down somewhere and forgive but not remain clown to him .. this just shows that women can be triffe as all hell.. You went on tv and cried and painted him every color in the book now ooh ur over it and u have a song together and he's getting people to sign a privacy slip at your birthday party rhirhi? bullshyt. so he didn't apologize because maybe deep down he don't feel he needs too? I have ALWAYS said….. If a man hits a woman because he's just a woman beater he's completely in the wrong. If a man beats a woman because she attacked him first… SO BE IT.. women want equal rights, well sorry ladies… can't just have equal rights when you want them to. wanna act like a dude, get knocked like a dude.
???
This sounds dangerously close to 'she had it coming'.
And Im not sure if that was your intention?
Nah, No woman 'Ever" has it coming….. What I'm trying to say is. If she wanted it to be private and deep down wanted to forgive him she should not have jumped on the save the battered women of the world wagon and make him look like a real bad dude in public, then turn around and be seen all cozy with him at your birthday. It was a fight between a woman and a man someone got knocked the hell in the eye and leave it at that… but charge him? make a big scene and now this? c'mon now. She has a temper and no one can say the reasons he snapped on her (again it's not right) but it happens.
Something is wrong with her, if no one seen how frail she looked at the grammys but me i gotta put the orange juice down cause too much vitamins apparently make u see sadness in people….
1) If you want your life private, keep ur dirty laundry private… i dont care how dirty it is.
2) sorry for the long post without paragraphs above.. I could of swore i hit enter lol
To your #1:
THEY didn't make it public…
Your right, Rhianna made it public.
I don't even think she made it public. Some nosy somebody who wanted money put the public police report out there.
PERIOD. END OF STORY.
He hasn't changed as far as I can tell (mature, sane grown men don't throw tantrums and attempt to hurl chairs through windows) but you're right — if she likes having her eyes dotted, lips busted and horns added to her forehead and PTSD doesn't have her cowering in a corner or (or cocking a 9mm pistol as it would have me) at the mention of his name, then who am I to say anything about the way they conduct their lives.
One thing folks are missing though, when making the comparison between Chris (punkass, woman-beating) Brown and Mike (the dog killer) Vick: Mike Vick isn't allowed to be around dogs anymore . . .
My thing is, if you don't like it, don't buy their stuff.
R. Kelly's been molesting girls since he came out – I don't buy his stuff. He can sing, but I don't buy his music, and I won't go to a concert.
Lil' Wayne and others "victimize" women in every song – whether the women consider themselves victims or not. I don't buy their music (I probably wouldn't, anyway).
If you don't like what they do in private/public, leave them alone. But don't keep bashing them, either. Continuously bringing them up in the media keeps them a hot topic, and puts money in their pockets.
Money is where they feel it, not your comments.
Money is where they feel it, not your comments.
disgustingly true
Beautifully put!!
I have really mixed feelings about it all. But then I wasn't the one who was hit. I just hope that they both have gotten some real help to deal with their issues. Because they both have witnessed domestic violence as children. In particular, with Chris, I hope he has gotten help for his anger issues and whatever triggers that cause him to explode in such a manner (although his recent behavior suggest he has not). What concerns me is that if they are back together and they haven't resolved whatever issues/behaviors/problems that they had in the past may crop up again and lead to horrible outcome.
But I do like Birthday Cake though. I frankly thought his verse was unnecessary.
They can do whatever they want on their time.
They don't need my forgiveness or my approval.
I have never once bought or liked a CB song, so I cannot say that I do anything different now or that my opinion on him makes any difference. Bottom line though:
I'd be a hypocrite to call anyone out for liking him – why?
I love and celebrate and stan for Jimi Hendrix who did lash out on women every now and again while drunk/drugged. Reason? I love his music/artist persona to pieces. Same goes for John Lennon. Yeah, you heard that right. He did it too.
So, as much as it hurts my insides to even mention those three in the same thought – I guess I am in no position to tell people to condemn the fugger.
I stopped supporting Kellz after the piss incident – but, again, I just wasn't that much into his stuff.
Same for Clapton's questionable attitude when it comes to race.
Consistency is a tough business, and I believe that everyone has to sort out with themselves what they condone and support and what not. Just – I don't believe anyone on this planet is consistent enough in their behaviour/thinking/decisions/ethics to tell others what to do.
Which is why I will say that CB is a useless piece of skin with no higher importance on this planet that needs not be famous… but if y'all want to buy his records and swoon at his feet and cheer for him and tweet about letting him beat you up with pleasure that's your right.
*jumps in*
Why is this such a big damn deal? I get that he beat her all in her face. I get that that is horrid. I get that he should have been punished. Not for revenge…or justice…but because he was and IS STILL young and needed to know that what he did is NOT acceptable. ESPECIALLY comin from the fact that he was raised around it and his first instinct was prolly to throw his fists at her like he witnessed growing up. Hopefully he's learned of more productive ways to express his anger. ::shrugs:: Maybe he didn't. ::shrugs again:: I don't really give a sh*t. Just because you act afool in a fit of anger does NOT mean you should have to pay for it for the rest of your life.
He hit her. Yup. He did. 3 years ago. This is not a national emergency.
All this.
I just want to say: Why does Slaus look like he's wearing a pearl earring? The Bear with the Pear Earring sketch selling on Ebay… complete with its own dust (ash) motes.
I just thought the song was tasteless as hell…but other than that, MEH.
CB annoys me cuz he's immature, that's really the short and long of it. Then again, I don't spend my time thinking about him like that so even then it's a minor annoyance. For me it's not really about "forgiving" him cuz he didn't do shyt to me. Am I gonna forget it? Probably not. But only cuz he's so abrasive in his responses that it just blows the shyt up even more and I see it all over the internet every other day.
Michael Vick, on the other hand, is moving on with his life in a mature fashion and he's playing really well from what I understand. Humility goes a long way. I LOVE dogs. Like…my dog is my BABY. I love him so much. Dog fighting is a heinous horrible act to me, so when the Vick thing happened I was really horrified. However, I am not mad at him in the least. He did his time, kept a low profile, and moved past it. Good for him. I actually feel kinda bad for him cuz he'll never feel the unconditional love of a dog again, but that's beside the point. He seems like he has his life together, so good for him. Bottom line. I'm gonna have to disagree that people "can never forgive Michael Vick no matter what he does" cuz I feel like many people already have moved past it as well.
CB acts really entitled, and entitlement rankles me in everyone. I can only speak for myself, though. As for apologizing, I think people are conflating "apologizing" with "acting like a humble, mature, CHANGED person" which CB is definitely not doing. He may not owe the public an apology, but if someone commits a crime and then ACTS like it wasn't even a big deal, it's difficult to forget all about it. He doesn't need forgiveness or absolution from the public, but in order to change the public's OPINION of him, he needs to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. I don't hate CB or hold negative emotions about him, but my opinion of him is definitely negative just based on his actions in general.
Everything she said!!! ^^^
Stop crushing on me. You'll inflate my ego.
Y'know what? I could've saved all that time writing my post if I'd read your first…lol
Co-sign. Entitled – that's the word that kept escaping me!
Thank you for so eloquently expressing what I was trying to say upthread earlier.
My bad opinion of Breezy comes more from his bratty, entitled and immature behavior after the incident rather than the incident itself.
And this here? : " He may not owe the public an apology, but if someone commits a crime and then ACTS like it wasn't even a big deal, it's difficult to forget all about it. He doesn't need forgiveness or absolution from the public, but in order to change the public's OPINION of him, he needs to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. I don't hate CB or hold negative emotions about him, but my opinion of him is definitely negative just based on his actions in general."
Its pretty much all I was trying to say. And you got it absolutely right.
"I think people are conflating "apologizing" with "acting like a humble, mature, CHANGED person" which CB is definitely not doing."
"He doesn't need forgiveness or absolution from the public, but in order to change the public's OPINION of him, he needs to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk."
That's it, right there. Otherwise, the amount of fvcks I give could fill two fingers.
Never gave two shyts about them before, so right now I'm in, "Phuck 'em both" mode. Cuz I'm just plain sick and tired of hearing about them. They want to make a single? Fine. They want to get back together. Whoopee. Personally, I never thought either one of their music was anything to holler and scream over, so I just want to set fire to this whole saga and get back to some peace and quiet, so to speak.
You just said my WHOLE opinion WAY better than I did!
i could give two fuggs. i'm tired of everyone who hates him getting so much spotlight. they hated him that day and they will hate him 10 yrs from now. cool…i respect your decision. they did a song together and you know what….however unpopular, it worked because that is ALL people are talking about today. sure it brings that night up again, but 1) it has everyone wanting to hear the song (i hate rihanna singing but listened for that) 2) it is opening up discussions on abuse which some people seem afraid to talk about and 3) maybe it's showing us that if she can forgive him (and that's the only person who apologies and forgiveness should matter) then everyone else can either move on too, or keep hating him. either way..they are going on. after 3 years they probably found all the negativity and avoiding is much more tiring and consuming than building a bridge and getting over it.
WELL!
If more people raised their children and taught their children right from wrong instead of letting the media and other external sources do it, this wouldn't even be an issue. Do I agree with her fraternizing with him? No. Do I agree with young people thinking this is cute and some sort of love fairytale where all is good at the end after there was violence in the relationship? No. All I can do is HOPE and PRAY that parents are having real and open discussions with their children about this, because we can't have a generation of humans thinking any of this is cute or romantic.
Great discussion folks. thanks for reading.
Obviously, this is one topic we won't agree on, but I'm glad that everyone can voice their opinions respectfully.
Does CB owe me anything? Nah, but he is a public figure, and still apparently Pop's safe Negro, so he's in the spotlight & his actions are on display. It's the price of fame & publicity. I didn't see the interview he & his bowtie did on Larry King, but I think that was the public apology one. His actions since show him to still be cocky, immature, quick-tempered, & very much still a kid growing up. I think he needs better handlers – who first need to take away his twitter account. He stay beefing w/people & deleting tweets (latest one is w/a wrestler). Showing some humility after would've went a long way, but he just couldn't shut up. Would it be good to reach out & speak up against domestic violence? Sure, but idk if anyone would believe him at this point. His actions/attitude didn't match his (public) outbursts, so it felt fake to a lot of people.
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Yes, Rihanna should and can go on with her life – she doesn't want to be the victim or poster child for domestic abuse. I wonder how much of this is against those close to her (family, Jay, etc.) who are actively trying to keep her away from him. But those feelings haven't diminished that much, apparently.
Some will never forgive him – as there are some who won't forgive R. Kelly, Mike Vick, MJ, OJ, Jerry Lee Lewis, Roman Polanski (someone tell why H-Wood still backs that bastard), etc. That's on them. I'm more disturbed by the 'he can beat me' tweets/attitude, but again that's not him. It could be used to foster discussion by various schools/groups/parents though. Bottom line, don't like him, don't support him. I hope he has learned & won't repeat these mistakes again.
I think Kid Fury summed it up nicely: http://youtu.be/aA74anJi-Zg
iDied!!!
That video was nothing but TRUTH!!!!!
Can we talk about the fact that he could not (or refused to) get CB's girlfriend's name right? Kawasaki, California Roll, Karcoochie…iHollered!
That was the funniest part for me! Then he said she needs to be careful before she ends up like Amber Rose…I'd wear a Kid Fury t-shirt every day if I could, I loves me some him!
Oh how I love him so
Oh lord, I'm weak. I love Kid Fury. He called that boy "Light Ike" and that girl "California Roll". He needs his own show for real.
Both of those “kids” are media pawns. Chris didn’t decide to be the poster boy for abuse. Did he hit her? Absolutely… just as statistically over ten thousand other guys did to various women that day. Can anybody name one other guy from that group? Can you say where Chris’ beatdown ranked on the scale? If you can’t name another one, that means the marketing worked very well. CB’s “handlers” had the job of getting him back out in the public eye, on stage, and in the studio, because the music industry is set-up for people with no talent to make money off of people with talent. So even if he did need/want time to reflect, heal, and change, they were not going to let him have it… because they wanted to get paid. And Rhi didn’t ask to be the poster child for victimization. She was used by people who already had that agenda to move their agenda along. That is why her wanting to forgive and move on is angering them… because they have lost their meal ticket. They don’t want her to move on with her life, because forgiveness means “she is just going back to her abuser.” That is a real concern in 100% of the cases that it’s a real concern. But it has never been true in 100% of the cases. It just hasn’t. And Rhi’s handlers also wanted to get her on the talk circuit regardless of whether she was ready because she had an album coming out and they needed to get paid. Those two were re-labled, re-marketed, and re-pimped. And just in time for their transition into adulthood.
CB definitely needs to grow up. Unfortunately, growing up takes time. People mature at different rates, and never because other people think they need to. Also, if CB feels entitled, it is because he provided entitlements on a regular basis until it became a regular way of life. And Chris is no more an ABUSER than I am a mountain climber. I did it once, but haven’t since…. Just like him hitting women. He abused **a** women, but there is nothing to show that it was pre-meditated like pedophilia. And he has had no new incidents of abusing women to my knowledge. So he had an incident, not a pattern. As for Rhi, she did her “learned my lesson” interviews post beatdown, and I’m sure she believed what she said at the time. But now that she has re-friended Chris, people say she needs to grow up because only a victim would go back to her abuser. Maybe her forgiveness is part of her maturity. Maybe she has made a conscious decision to no longer read from a prepared text about a national crisis on a morning talk show, and actually act from of her own feelings and knowledge of the situation. Maybe she knows Chris’ potential for future violence better than the millions of people who have never met him, and she is right while his detractors are wrong. Maybe…
You can’t say they need to man-up or woman-up on one hand, then say they need to have better people around them to guide them on the other. Either they are mature enough to make their own decisions or not, and it’s obvious they are still unsure about themselves. The bottom-line is, we don’t know what they feel, or what level of regret they have. Truth be told, the way they have both been criticized for every move they make, we probably drove them back to each other since now they have media abuse and exploitation, and fan hatred in common. Misery does love company, so I hope they can be good support systems for each other until we find something else to do. But a final note on Chris; if you ask ten people what they think Christ should do to “show contrition”, you‘ll get several different answers including: “I don’t care what he does, once an abuser always an abuser.” At a certain point, we mature folks need to have a degree of forgiveness that we are willing to give that isn’t contingent on what he does to seek it. Some forgiveness might even help him mature sooner.
*swoon*
well said!!!!
Plenty of other famous people get entitlements, too, and they don't act like douchebags. Just because he's famous doesn't mean he can act like an a*s as he does. Just saying, some people get to fame and stay humble. I don't think that's an excuse for his behavior AT ALL. He can act a fool all he wants, and I have the right to think he's a fool for doing so, but he can't get mad because he acts a fool and then people think he's foolish. That's like getting mad at water for being wet.
I know your post wasn't just that, but I don't have any comments on the other parts.
Some folks use cocaine for years and never get hooked. Some get hooked after they use it the first time. Neither knows how they will react until afterward. I will never try to justify him hitting a woman. There is no excuse for what he did, but there is an explanation for why, and only those two know it. And no, an explanation of his actions isn't justification for them, it's just an explanation. . He reacted the way he did to fame and entitlement because of who he was/is. Being famous doesn't mean he can act like an @ss and get a pass, but being famous doesn't mean he matured any faster than he would have if no one outside of his neighborhood knew his name. I'm not a fan of his, and have no interest in him beyond seeing him as some young brother whom I hope gets his act together. From what I've seen, he is a jerk. I just have an issue with him having to still wear the abuser tag because he's a jerk. But anyone who is mad at him for being a jerk is totally justified to me.
"I just have an issue with him having to still wear the abuser tag because he's a jerk."
*shrugs* Sometimes life is not fair. Maybe if he wasn't a jerk, people wouldn't paint him with such a broad brush.
I don't label him an abuser, nor am I mad at him. I think wasting your emotions on people who don't matter is giving them too much power, but like I said earlier my opinion of him is negative. That's solely based on how he conducts himself in general, not his one mistake. That's why I don't have sympathy for the slack he's getting from others, because he's really done nothing to NOT deserve it, only things to encourage it. At the end of the day, like you said, he's his own person and he's the only one who will be judged for his actions, not his handlers, if he doesn't consider that, then *shrugs* that's on him.
Basically.
If it walks like a douche and quacks like a douche then….
Being that I haven't bought a CD since "Curtis", I really don't give a fugg.
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Someone asked me why i hadn't spent the time to respond to each rebuttal to my post today.
I didn't because I had already joined chris and rihanna and moved on. I said my peace for the sake of garnering a discussion between all of you.
For me? Chris and Rihanna, like whitney and other celebrities, simply don't matter to me in any meaningful way. Therefore I really didn't want to spend any more energy on the matter. Not out of arrogance and or spite even, but more so simply because…. I said what I had to say on the matter and it was simply my opinion. an opinion on a topic that in the grand scheme of things? doesn't matter one way or the other. But the question as to why i didn't come back today and defend my opinion against all the retorts is simply…… I don't care enough about what happened between these two kids to really spin my wheels any further on it.
I'm just glad you all had a good time debating the issue and remaining civil throughout the discussion.
Which is one of the things i love most about this little community we've built here.
Thanks again.
Slaus.
Only reason they are doing this is for the publicity, because IMO neither one has the ability to stand on talent alone.
Yes, the domestic issue is a deep one. And they are abusing the issue in order to sell more crappy music.
If people would only see this stunt for what it TRULY is and IGNORE THEM, they will disappear into obscurity where they belong!
Do I think she's stupid? Yes I do. So poopid she deserves him.
NOW LET'S STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS SHYT!!!!!!!!
Lawd, that boy has a big old pie-face.
Ok sorry, back to the lecture at hand.
Rihanna is acting like a gay man and thinking with her paynus and not her brain. I want to hate Chris too but he's just sooooooo damn fine I can't help wanting to just……! So I do understand where she's coming from. She hasn't forgiven him; she just wants that massive, overheated thing of his (which, ladies, is available online. You remember when he took a picture and sent it out to everrybody 'cause he was so proud of it…and he should be *damn*). He's a sexy,sexy boy and who says women can't think with their no-no's instead of their brain? Hell, it ain't like either one of them are brainiacs; they're just two hot, sexy young things with a lotta money, drugs (probably) and fame and they're both thinking with the wrong organ.
Kid Fury called it a "jumbo kindergarten pencil" LMFAO
I didnt like the song at first…. but sometimes there are places for these vulgar songs. *wobbles to Trina Look Back at It*
The songs seems a bit accurate. I missed that ass and we are about to get it IN!!
I don't really care about his apology. I'm more concerned about how far we haven't progressed as a society. Folks just think if a Black woman gets pummeled she deserved it. I'm more concerned about that, seeing as we represent over 40% of the missing and murdered and only comprise less than 13% of the population. So as far as I am concerned, I don't give a fugg about CB or what he does on an everyday basis.
Ok, I know this has been said a million times already, but I will add my two cents. It's none of our business!
We can speculate on the whole thing, but we weren't in the car when it all went down. We weren't there when he gave his "sincere apology". We are not Jesus, so we aren't with these people 24/7. We know it went down, and that's all. We can forgive crackheads that abandoned their families, and decide to clean heir Ives up, but we can't forgive this guy, who just so happens to be in the spotlight, and is trying to take a different path in life? Live your life and let go. We get so caught up in everyone else's lives instead of fixing our own. No doubt, what he did was wrong, but he is not walking around like "she deserved that shyt", or anything along those lines.
And yes, we need to stop putting these entertainers on pedestals and rearing them like role models. I thought hat was the parents' job. People will be people. It wasn't my deal to forgive my teacher's husband for beating her to DEATH. I almost want him to get the hottest part of hell. But last I checked, there is only one person who can judge anyone.
Stop looking for a public apology. he didn't beat you. stop holding someone else's grudge.